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2009-02-01T00:09:14Z

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==Bow Guide==
Just gonna say I left you a message on the [[Talk:Premium_Bow_Comparison|Premium Bow Comparison]] article you made and I imported here =) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:17, 23 January 2009 (CET)

== test ==

test123.. 8[b]test[/b]

hi there, thanks - I replied to it :)

can everyone see this thread or is it private? Still trying to figure out how to make use of this "new" wiki stuff ;)

Talk:Guide:Premium Bow Comparison v1.09, by AllNamesRTaken

2009-02-01T00:03:59Z

AllNamesRTaken: /* Message from the Author */

==Message from the Author==
Hi everyone,

I wrote this guide approximately six years ago, please take that into consideration when reading it. Any comments, updates or info on related changes to the game since that time, are more than welcome..Even if some of the reviewed items have remained unchanged during recent patches, I'm pretty sure that most weapons meanwhile behave considerably different, taking available data regarding frame breakpoints into account, as well as new additions to the game.

Respectfully submitted, 
~AllNamesRTaken 
[Posted January 22nd, 2009]

***

:Hey AllNamesRTaken! Nice to see you make a comment on it! =D I hope I did it justice with the transformation from HTML to Wiki code. Please feel free to update anything on the guide to your satisfaction, and/or add contact info if you like people to give you feedback. I added it because it was one of the guides that people continued to try to access on the site, but the article was missing.

:I actually used the web archive to find it, since I don't have access to the original files. =) Got any plans for a follow-up article?

: BTW, check out my help page for talk pages: [[help:Talk]] for tips on how to use them. =) --
[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:13, 23 January 2009 (CET)

***

Hi there,

Thanks for your comment :)

I don't mind the guide having been posted here, that's perfectly fine with me..

As for updating it - Actually I just started playing the game again, my only character(s) so far, are a lvl 80ish Barbarian and a Sorceress in the 50's. I would not be qualified to make any changes to the guide at this point, but if there is interest for an updated version, or for additional diablo 2 guides in general, I'm sure I could spare some time and start writing articles again, once I'm caught up on all the changes to the game.

Gotta say it's pretty cool to see Blizzard added new content to d2, even after such a long time - Originally I just wanted to log in for a quick game or two and check if anyone's still around, but from the looks of it I'm 100% addicted again. :D Long story short, if it stays this way, I'll probably be able to add new content to the guide in a little while.

I'll check out the info you mentioned on editing stuff here..never used a wiki site before myself (other than reading them), but I guess it can't be that hard.

Respectfully submitted,

~AllNamesRTaken
[Posted February 1st, 2009]

Talk:Guide:Premium Bow Comparison v1.09, by AllNamesRTaken

2009-02-01T00:02:35Z

AllNamesRTaken: /* Message from the Author */

==Message from the Author==
Hi everyone,

I wrote this guide approximately six years ago, please take that into consideration when reading it. Any comments, updates or info on related changes to the game since that time, are more than welcome..Even if some of the reviewed items have remained unchanged during recent patches, I'm pretty sure that most weapons meanwhile behave considerably different, taking available data regarding frame breakpoints into account, as well as new additions to the game.

Respectfully submitted, 
~AllNamesRTaken 
[Posted January 22nd, 2009]

***

:Hey AllNamesRTaken! Nice to see you make a comment on it! =D I hope I did it justice with the transformation from HTML to Wiki code. Please feel free to update anything on the guide to your satisfaction, and/or add contact info if you like people to give you feedback. I added it because it was one of the guides that people continued to try to access on the site, but the article was missing.

:I actually used the web archive to find it, since I don't have access to the original files. =) Got any plans for a follow-up article?

: BTW, check out my help page for talk pages: [[help:Talk]] for tips on how to use them. =) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:13, 23 January 2009 (CET)

***

Hi there,

Thanks for your comment :)

I don't mind the guide having been posted here, that's perfectly fine with me..

As for updating it - Actually I just started playing the game again, my only character(s) so far, are a lvl 80ish Barbarian and a Sorceress in the 50's. I would not be qualified to make any changes to the guide at this point, but if there is interest for an updated version, or for additional diablo 2 guides in general, I'm sure I could spare some time and start writing articles again, once I'm caught up on all the changes to the game.

Gotta say it's pretty cool to see Blizzard added new content to d2, even after such a long time - Originally I just wanted to log in for a quick game or two and check if anyone's still around, but from the looks of it I'm 100% addicted again. :D Long story short, if it stays this way, I'll probably be able to add new content to the guide in a little while.

I'll check out the info you mentioned on editing stuff here..never used a wiki site before myself (other than reading them), but I guess it can't be that hard.

Respectfully submitted,
~AllNamesRTaken
[Posted February 1st, 2009]

Talk:Guide:Premium Bow Comparison v1.09, by AllNamesRTaken

2009-02-01T00:01:47Z

AllNamesRTaken: /* Message from the Author */

==Message from the Author==
Hi everyone,

I wrote this guide approximately six years ago, please take that into consideration when reading it. Any comments, updates or info on related changes to the game since that time, are more than welcome..Even if some of the reviewed items have remained unchanged during recent patches, I'm pretty sure that most weapons meanwhile behave considerably different, taking available data regarding frame breakpoints into account, as well as new additions to the game.

Respectfully submitted, 
~AllNamesRTaken 
[Posted January 22nd, 2009]

*******************************************

:Hey AllNamesRTaken! Nice to see you make a comment on it! =D I hope I did it justice with the transformation from HTML to Wiki code. Please feel free to update anything on the guide to your satisfaction, and/or add contact info if you like people to give you feedback. I added it because it was one of the guides that people continued to try to access on the site, but the article was missing.

:I actually used the web archive to find it, since I don't have access to the original files. =) Got any plans for a follow-up article?

: BTW, check out my help page for talk pages: [[help:Talk]] for tips on how to use them. =) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:13, 23 January 2009 (CET)

*******************************************

Hi there,

Thanks for your comment :)

I don't mind the guide having been posted here, that's perfectly fine with me..

As for updating it - Actually I just started playing the game again, my only character(s) so far, are a lvl 80ish Barbarian and a Sorceress in the 50's. I would not be qualified to make any changes to the guide at this point, but if there is interest for an updated version, or for additional diablo 2 guides in general, I'm sure I could spare some time and start writing articles again, once I'm caught up on all the changes to the game.

Gotta say it's pretty cool to see Blizzard added new content to d2, even after such a long time - Originally I just wanted to log in for a quick game or two and check if anyone's still around, but from the looks of it I'm 100% addicted again. :D Long story short, if it stays this way, I'll probably be able to add new content to the guide in a little while.

I'll check out the info you mentioned on editing stuff here..never used a wiki site before myself (other than reading them), but I guess it can't be that hard.

Respectfully submitted,
~AllNamesRTaken
[Posted February 1st, 2009]

Talk:Guide:Premium Bow Comparison v1.09, by AllNamesRTaken

2009-02-01T00:00:39Z

AllNamesRTaken:

==Message from the Author==
Hi everyone,

I wrote this guide approximately six years ago, please take that into consideration when reading it. Any comments, updates or info on related changes to the game since that time, are more than welcome..Even if some of the reviewed items have remained unchanged during recent patches, I'm pretty sure that most weapons meanwhile behave considerably different, taking available data regarding frame breakpoints into account, as well as new additions to the game.

Respectfully submitted, 
~AllNamesRTaken 
[Posted January 22nd, 2009]

:Hey AllNamesRTaken! Nice to see you make a comment on it! =D I hope I did it justice with the transformation from HTML to Wiki code. Please feel free to update anything on the guide to your satisfaction, and/or add contact info if you like people to give you feedback. I added it because it was one of the guides that people continued to try to access on the site, but the article was missing.

:I actually used the web archive to find it, since I don't have access to the original files. =) Got any plans for a follow-up article?

: BTW, check out my help page for talk pages: [[help:Talk]] for tips on how to use them. =) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:13, 23 January 2009 (CET)

Hi there,

Thanks for your comment :)

I don't mind the guide having been posted here, that's perfectly fine with me..

As for updating it - Actually I just started playing the game again, my only character(s) so far, are a lvl 80ish Barbarian and a Sorceress in the 50's. I would not be qualified to make any changes to the guide at this point, but if there is interest for an updated version, or for additional diablo 2 guides in general, I'm sure I could spare some time and start writing articles again, once I'm caught up on all the changes to the game.

Gotta say it's pretty cool to see Blizzard added new content to d2, even after such a long time - Originally I just wanted to log in for a quick game or two and check if anyone's still around, but from the looks of it I'm 100% addicted again. :D Long story short, if it stays this way, I'll probably be able to add new content to the guide in a little while.

I'll check out the info you mentioned on editing stuff here..never used a wiki site before myself (other than reading them), but I guess it can't be that hard.

Respectfully submitted,
~AllNamesRTaken

Talk:Guide:Premium Bow Comparison v1.09, by AllNamesRTaken

2009-01-22T19:16:34Z

AllNamesRTaken:

Hi everyone,

I wrote this guide approximately six years ago, please take that into consideration when reading it. Any comments, updates or info on related changes to the game since that time, are more than welcome..Even if some of the reviewed items have remained unchanged during recent patches, I'm pretty sure that most weapons meanwhile behave considerably different, taking available data regarding frame breakpoints into account, as well as new additions to the game.

Respectfully submitted,
~AllNamesRTaken
[Posted January 22nd, 2009]

Talk:Guide:Premium Bow Comparison v1.09, by AllNamesRTaken

2009-01-22T19:15:44Z

AllNamesRTaken:

Hi everyone,

I wrote this guide approximately four years ago, please take that into consideration when reading it. Any comments, updates or info on related changes to the game since that time, are more than welcome..Even if some of the reviewed items have remained unchanged during recent patches, I'm pretty sure that most weapons meanwhile behave considerably different, taking available data regarding frame breakpoints into account, as well as new additions to the game.

Respectfully submitted,
~AllNamesRTaken
[Posted January 22nd, 2009]

Talk:Guide:Premium Bow Comparison v1.09, by AllNamesRTaken

2009-01-22T19:14:53Z

AllNamesRTaken: Notes - Bow Comparison Guide

Guide:Premium Bow Comparison v1.09, by AllNamesRTaken

2009-01-22T10:05:51Z

AllNamesRTaken:

* Author: [mailto:logician@silverpark.net?subject=Premium%20Bows%20Comparison AllNamesRTaken]

== Physical Damage ==

{|style="border-collapse: collapse;"style="border-collapse: collapse;" border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="5" width="100%"
|align="right"|Clvl -
|align="center"|50
|align="center"|60
|align="center"|70
|align="center"|80
|align="center"|90
|align="center"|99
|-
||Buriza-Do Kyanon 200%
||102-293
||102-318
||102-343
||102-368
||102-393
||102-415,5
|-
||Buriza-Do Kyanon 150%
||85-265
||85-292
||85-315
||85-340
||85-365
||85-387,5
|-
||Eaglehorn
||-
||-
||48-281.6
||48-294,4
||48-307,2
||48-318,7
|-
|colspan="7"|  
|-
||Cruel Hydra Bow 200%
||-
||-
||35,5-241,4
||35,5-241,4
||35,5-241,4
||35,5-241,4
|-
||Cruel Hydra Bow 300%
||-
||-
||40-272
||40-272
||40-272
||40-272
|-
||Lycander's Aim 150%
||75-155
||75-155
||75-155
||75-155
||75-155
||75-155
|-
||Lycander's Aim 200%
||85-176
||85-176
||85-176
||85-176
||85-176
||85-176
|-
||M'avina's Caster
||-
||-
||40-201
||40-201
||40-201
||40-201
|-
||Windforce
||-
||-
||-
||38-491
||38-522
||38-550,3
|}

== Speed Gain ==
''Amount of Shots per 10 seconds, at the maximum possible 25 frames per second''

{|style="border-collapse: collapse;"border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="5" width="100%"
|align="right"|IAS -
|align="center"|0
|align="center"|10
|align="center"|20
|align="center"|30
|align="center"|40
|align="center"|50
|align="center"|60
|align="center"|70
|align="center"|80
|align="center"|90
|align="center"|100
|align="center"|110
|align="center"|120
|-
||Buriza-Do Kyanon 1.09*
||18
||-
||-
||19
||-
||-
||21
||-
||21
||-
||-
||-
||-
|-
||Buriza-Do Kyanon 1.08**
||17
||-
||-
||18
||-
||-
||-
||-
||-
||-
||-
||-
||-
|-
||Eaglehorn
||17
||18
||19
||21
||23
||-
||24
||-
||25
|| 
|| 
|| 
|| 
|-
||Hydra Bow
||17
||-
||20
||-
||23
||-
||25
||25
||26
||-
||28
||-
||29
|-
||Lycander's Aim***
||20
||23
||-
||24
||-
||-
||-
||29
||29
||-
||-
||-
||-
|-
||M'avina's Caster****
||23x
||-
||25
||25
||-
||28
||-
||28
||-
||29
||29
||-
||-
|}
<nowiki>* = + 80% IAS</nowiki> 
<nowiki>** = + 50% IAS</nowiki> 
<nowiki>*** = + 20% IAS</nowiki> 
<nowiki>**** = + 40% IAS</nowiki>

[[Image:SpeedComparison.gif|center|Speed Comparison]]

== Speed & Damage Comparison ==
''Formula used: shots per 10 seconds * (Physical Damage + Elemental Damage)''

{|style="border-collapse: collapse;"border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="5" width="100%"|
|colspan="7"|Table 1: No IAS boni, other than natural speed boni on the weapons
|-
|align="right"|Clvl -
|align="center"|50
|align="center"|60
|align="center"|70
|align="center"|80
|align="center"|90
|align="center"|99
|-
||Buriza-Do Kyanon 200%
||2412-8802
||2412-9252
||2412-9702
||2412-10152
||2412-10602
||2412-11007
|-
||Windforce
||-
||-
||-
||760-9820
||760-10440
||760-11006
|-
||Buriza-Do Kyanon 150%
||2106-8298
||2106-8784
||2106-9198
||2106-9648
||2106-10098
||2106-10503
|-
||Eaglehorn
||-
||-
||816-4787
||816-5004
||816-5219
||816-5418
|-
||Cruel Hydra Bow 200%
||-
||-
||604-4104
||604-4104
||604-4104
||604-4104
|-
||Cruel Hydra Bow 300%
||-
||-
||680-4624
||680-4624
||680-4624
||680-4624
|-
||Lycander's Aim 150%
||1900-4100
||1900-4100
||1900-4100
||1900-4100
||1900-4100
||1900-4100
|-
||Lycander's Aim 200%
||2200-4520
||2200-4520
||2200-4520
||2200-4520
||2200-4520
||2200-4520
|-
||M'avina's Caster
||-
||-
||920-4623
||920-4623
||920-4623
||920-4623
|}

{|style="border-collapse: collapse;"border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="5" width="100%"
|colspan="7"|Table 2: 80% IAS (Including the natural speed boni)
|-
|align="right"|Clvl -
|align="center"|50
|align="center"|60
|align="center"|70
|align="center"|80
|align="center"|90
|align="center"|99
|-
||Windforce
||-
||-
||-
||950-12275
||950-13050
||950-13758
|-
||Buriza-Do Kyanon 200%
||2412-8802
||2412-9252
||2412-9702
||2412-10152
||2412-10602
||2412-11007
|-
||Buriza-Do Kyanon 150%
||2106-8298
||2106-8784
||2106-9198
||2106-9648
||2106-10098
||2106-10503
|-
||Eaglehorn
||-
||-
||1200-7040
||1200-7360
||1200-7680
||1200-7968
|-
||Cruel Hydra Bow 300%
||-
||-
||1040-7072
||1040-7072
||1040-7072
||1040-7072
|-
||Lycander's Aim 200%
||2940-6328
||2940-6328
||2940-6328
||2940-6328
||2940-6328
||2940-6328
|-
||Cruel Hydra Bow 200%
||-
||-
||923-6276
||923-6276
||923-6276
||923-6276
|-
||Lycander's Aim 150%
||2660-5740
||2660-5740
||2660-5740
||2660-5740
||2660-5740
||2660-5740
|-
||M'avina's Caster
||-
||-
||1040-5226
||1040-5226
||1040-5226
||1040-5226
|}

[[Image:Overall-Comparison-Graph.gif|center|Overall Comparison]]

{|style="border-collapse: collapse;"border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="5" width="100%"
|colspan="7"|Table 3: Average Damage @ 80% IAS Formula: (Minimum Damage + Maximum Damage) /2 = Average Damage
|-
|align="right"|Clvl -
||50
||60
||70
||80
||90
||99
|-
||Windforce
|| 
||-
||-
||6612
||7000
||7354
|-
||Buriza-Do Kyanon 200%
||5607
||5832
||6057
||6282
||6507
||6710
|-
||Buriza-Do Kyanon 150%
||5202
||5445
||5652
||5877
||6102
||6305
|-
||Lycander's Aim 200%
||4634
||4634
||4634
||4634
||4634
||4634
|-
||Eaglehorn
||-
||-
||4120
||4280
||4440
||4584
|-
||Lycander's Aim 150%
||4200
||4200
||4200
||4200
||4200
||4200
|-
||Cruel Hydra Bow 300%
||-
||-
||4056
||4056
||4056
||4056
|-
||Cruel Hydra Bow 200%
||-
||-
||3600
||3600
||3600
||3600
|-
||M'avina's Caste
||-
||-
||3133
||3133
||3133
||3133
|}

== Notes / Discoveries / Oddities ==
* In-Game displayed damage differs from the correct damage, because for enhanced damage calculation 1 (one) damage has to be added to the base damage of a weapon.

example: A hydra bow with 200% ed should do 30 - 204 damage, but actually does 33 - 207 damage.

I did not take this oddity into account in my calculations because I consider it to be a bug.

* When a stack of arrows or bolts gets empty, the game automatically fetches a new stack from the player's inventory. This process slows down the shooting speed for 1-2 seconds.

* Items which have a chance on casting a spell with graphical effects when attacking can significantly slow down attacks, especially when used in combination with fast weapons.

* Please note: All values in this guide are based on Diablo II: Lord of Destruction v1.09 item stats.

== Summary ==
=== Buriza-Do Kyanon - "potal! potal! Here I come!" ===

'''Disadvantages:'''
* Crossbows are naturally much slower than bows.
* Much IAS boni are needed to achieve a noticable frame increase, 160% IAS bonus only
grants 2 more shots per 10 seconds.

'''Advantages:'''
* The Buriza comes along as a great package in natural form, with a lot of essential amazon mods such as
100% piercing, 80% increased attack speed, decent cold damage and more.
* Incredible damage per time factor, only beaten by a windforce with additional IAS.
* Allows usage of "alternative" equipment, since most essential mods are already covered on the weapon.

'''Summary:'''
* The Buriza remains a top choice for any amazon. It even beat the legendary windforce by 1 (one) damage in
natural form in this test *chuckle*
* The added 32-196 cold damage is a valuable companion in hell difficulty, home of many pesky physically
immune monsters.
* 100% piercing helps saving skill points and allows using a belt other than razortail.
* The natural 80% IAS on the weapon, along with the small boni from more IAS invite to not focus on popular
IAS equipment (twitchthroe etc), but rather go for damage reduction gear (Shaftstop etc).

=== Lycander's Aim - "Surprise, Surprise!" ===

'''Advantages:'''
* High Natural Speed along with high gains from IAS items
* Highest minimum damage
* Low Price

'''Disadvantages:'''
* Low Maximum Damage

'''Summary:'''
* This weapon pretty surprised me during the tests. Although M'avina's Caster remains the naturally fastest
weapon (except for a row of irrelevant low-level unique bows and non-set/non-unique bows), Lycander's Aim beats
it, starting at 70% IAS bonus, Lycander's bow fires 29 times over a 10 second period, where M'avina's bow
is still stuck at 28, making it a top-choice pvp weapon, also because of the high minimum damage, which often
leads to single-shot kills.
* Recommended to focus on IAS gear with this bow, should be socketed with shael rune.
* Mana leech on the bow allows wearing easier to find/cheaper to buy single-leech items.
* The skill boni do not provide significant benefits

=== M'avina's Caster - "Which Arrow killed you?" - "All of them!" ===

'''Advantages:'''
* Although greatly increased, still decent speed gains from IAS items
* Fastest bow until 70% IAS

'''Disadvantages:'''
* Damage cannot keep up with other tested bows at higher character levels

'''Summary:'''
* Recommended using it in combination with other m'avina's items
* Top-Choice pvp weapon, although Lycander's Aim works better unless you go for damage reduction gear.

=== Eaglehorn - "Is that a windforce??" ===

'''Advantages:'''
* Sufficient damage, speed, and speed gains

'''Disadvantages;'''
* High Price

'''Summary:'''
* Its ignore target defense mod makes up for the relatively low minimum damage
* A Top-Choice bow for the cow level in hell difficulty
* Recommended using in combination with an amplify damage item

=== Windforce - "show me plz, show me!!" ===

'''Advantages:'''
* Great Damage, Great Speed
* Perfect for bragging, showing off, earning cash

'''Disadvantages:'''
* Insane Price

'''Summary:'''
* Mana Leech allows using easier to find/cheaper to buy single-leech items
* Knockback keeps them pesky cows away from you, and lets you use gloves other than cleglaw's pincers
* Strength bonus (10) makes it easier meeting the 134 strength requirements
* The ultimate pvm bow

=== Cruel Hydra Bow - "Buriza up my ass!" ===

'''Advantages:'''
* Decent Speed
* Magic item, therefore allows more sockets than any of the other tested bows
* Good all-rounder

'''Disadvantages'''
* Lack of useful mods, other than the high ed% ;)

'''Summary'''
* Recommended using in combination with amplify damage item
* Gets useful above 250% ed

== Credits ==

Shazam, for assistance on actually understanding all this stuff I wrote about 
Ceph, for lending me some of his bows 
Coca Cola Inc., for keeping me awake

[[Category:Amazon]]
[[Category:Strategies]]
[[Category:v1.09 Strategies]]

Guide:Premium Bow Comparison v1.09, by AllNamesRTaken

2009-01-22T09:59:54Z

AllNamesRTaken: Just updated my email address

* Author: [mailto:manfred@silverpark.net?subject=Premium%20Bows%20Comparison AllNamesRTaken]

== Physical Damage ==

{|style="border-collapse: collapse;"style="border-collapse: collapse;" border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="5" width="100%"
|align="right"|Clvl -
|align="center"|50
|align="center"|60
|align="center"|70
|align="center"|80
|align="center"|90
|align="center"|99
|-
||Buriza-Do Kyanon 200%
||102-293
||102-318
||102-343
||102-368
||102-393
||102-415,5
|-
||Buriza-Do Kyanon 150%
||85-265
||85-292
||85-315
||85-340
||85-365
||85-387,5
|-
||Eaglehorn
||-
||-
||48-281.6
||48-294,4
||48-307,2
||48-318,7
|-
|colspan="7"|  
|-
||Cruel Hydra Bow 200%
||-
||-
||35,5-241,4
||35,5-241,4
||35,5-241,4
||35,5-241,4
|-
||Cruel Hydra Bow 300%
||-
||-
||40-272
||40-272
||40-272
||40-272
|-
||Lycander's Aim 150%
||75-155
||75-155
||75-155
||75-155
||75-155
||75-155
|-
||Lycander's Aim 200%
||85-176
||85-176
||85-176
||85-176
||85-176
||85-176
|-
||M'avina's Caster
||-
||-
||40-201
||40-201
||40-201
||40-201
|-
||Windforce
||-
||-
||-
||38-491
||38-522
||38-550,3
|}

== Speed Gain ==
''Amount of Shots per 10 seconds, at the maximum possible 25 frames per second''

{|style="border-collapse: collapse;"border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="5" width="100%"
|align="right"|IAS -
|align="center"|0
|align="center"|10
|align="center"|20
|align="center"|30
|align="center"|40
|align="center"|50
|align="center"|60
|align="center"|70
|align="center"|80
|align="center"|90
|align="center"|100
|align="center"|110
|align="center"|120
|-
||Buriza-Do Kyanon 1.09*
||18
||-
||-
||19
||-
||-
||21
||-
||21
||-
||-
||-
||-
|-
||Buriza-Do Kyanon 1.08**
||17
||-
||-
||18
||-
||-
||-
||-
||-
||-
||-
||-
||-
|-
||Eaglehorn
||17
||18
||19
||21
||23
||-
||24
||-
||25
|| 
|| 
|| 
|| 
|-
||Hydra Bow
||17
||-
||20
||-
||23
||-
||25
||25
||26
||-
||28
||-
||29
|-
||Lycander's Aim***
||20
||23
||-
||24
||-
||-
||-
||29
||29
||-
||-
||-
||-
|-
||M'avina's Caster****
||23x
||-
||25
||25
||-
||28
||-
||28
||-
||29
||29
||-
||-
|}
<nowiki>* = + 80% IAS</nowiki> 
<nowiki>** = + 50% IAS</nowiki> 
<nowiki>*** = + 20% IAS</nowiki> 
<nowiki>**** = + 40% IAS</nowiki>

[[Image:SpeedComparison.gif|center|Speed Comparison]]

== Speed & Damage Comparison ==
''Formula used: shots per 10 seconds * (Physical Damage + Elemental Damage)''

{|style="border-collapse: collapse;"border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="5" width="100%"|
|colspan="7"|Table 1: No IAS boni, other than natural speed boni on the weapons
|-
|align="right"|Clvl -
|align="center"|50
|align="center"|60
|align="center"|70
|align="center"|80
|align="center"|90
|align="center"|99
|-
||Buriza-Do Kyanon 200%
||2412-8802
||2412-9252
||2412-9702
||2412-10152
||2412-10602
||2412-11007
|-
||Windforce
||-
||-
||-
||760-9820
||760-10440
||760-11006
|-
||Buriza-Do Kyanon 150%
||2106-8298
||2106-8784
||2106-9198
||2106-9648
||2106-10098
||2106-10503
|-
||Eaglehorn
||-
||-
||816-4787
||816-5004
||816-5219
||816-5418
|-
||Cruel Hydra Bow 200%
||-
||-
||604-4104
||604-4104
||604-4104
||604-4104
|-
||Cruel Hydra Bow 300%
||-
||-
||680-4624
||680-4624
||680-4624
||680-4624
|-
||Lycander's Aim 150%
||1900-4100
||1900-4100
||1900-4100
||1900-4100
||1900-4100
||1900-4100
|-
||Lycander's Aim 200%
||2200-4520
||2200-4520
||2200-4520
||2200-4520
||2200-4520
||2200-4520
|-
||M'avina's Caster
||-
||-
||920-4623
||920-4623
||920-4623
||920-4623
|}

{|style="border-collapse: collapse;"border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="5" width="100%"
|colspan="7"|Table 2: 80% IAS (Including the natural speed boni)
|-
|align="right"|Clvl -
|align="center"|50
|align="center"|60
|align="center"|70
|align="center"|80
|align="center"|90
|align="center"|99
|-
||Windforce
||-
||-
||-
||950-12275
||950-13050
||950-13758
|-
||Buriza-Do Kyanon 200%
||2412-8802
||2412-9252
||2412-9702
||2412-10152
||2412-10602
||2412-11007
|-
||Buriza-Do Kyanon 150%
||2106-8298
||2106-8784
||2106-9198
||2106-9648
||2106-10098
||2106-10503
|-
||Eaglehorn
||-
||-
||1200-7040
||1200-7360
||1200-7680
||1200-7968
|-
||Cruel Hydra Bow 300%
||-
||-
||1040-7072
||1040-7072
||1040-7072
||1040-7072
|-
||Lycander's Aim 200%
||2940-6328
||2940-6328
||2940-6328
||2940-6328
||2940-6328
||2940-6328
|-
||Cruel Hydra Bow 200%
||-
||-
||923-6276
||923-6276
||923-6276
||923-6276
|-
||Lycander's Aim 150%
||2660-5740
||2660-5740
||2660-5740
||2660-5740
||2660-5740
||2660-5740
|-
||M'avina's Caster
||-
||-
||1040-5226
||1040-5226
||1040-5226
||1040-5226
|}

[[Image:Overall-Comparison-Graph.gif|center|Overall Comparison]]

{|style="border-collapse: collapse;"border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="5" width="100%"
|colspan="7"|Table 3: Average Damage @ 80% IAS Formula: (Minimum Damage + Maximum Damage) /2 = Average Damage
|-
|align="right"|Clvl -
||50
||60
||70
||80
||90
||99
|-
||Windforce
|| 
||-
||-
||6612
||7000
||7354
|-
||Buriza-Do Kyanon 200%
||5607
||5832
||6057
||6282
||6507
||6710
|-
||Buriza-Do Kyanon 150%
||5202
||5445
||5652
||5877
||6102
||6305
|-
||Lycander's Aim 200%
||4634
||4634
||4634
||4634
||4634
||4634
|-
||Eaglehorn
||-
||-
||4120
||4280
||4440
||4584
|-
||Lycander's Aim 150%
||4200
||4200
||4200
||4200
||4200
||4200
|-
||Cruel Hydra Bow 300%
||-
||-
||4056
||4056
||4056
||4056
|-
||Cruel Hydra Bow 200%
||-
||-
||3600
||3600
||3600
||3600
|-
||M'avina's Caste
||-
||-
||3133
||3133
||3133
||3133
|}

== Notes / Discoveries / Oddities ==
* In-Game displayed damage differs from the correct damage, because for enhanced damage calculation 1 (one) damage has to be added to the base damage of a weapon.

example: A hydra bow with 200% ed should do 30 - 204 damage, but actually does 33 - 207 damage.

I did not take this oddity into account in my calculations because I consider it to be a bug.

* When a stack of arrows or bolts gets empty, the game automatically fetches a new stack from the player's inventory. This process slows down the shooting speed for 1-2 seconds.

* Items which have a chance on casting a spell with graphical effects when attacking can significantly slow down attacks, especially when used in combination with fast weapons.

== Summary ==
=== Buriza-Do Kyanon - "potal! potal! Here I come!" ===

'''Disadvantages:'''
* Crossbows are naturally much slower than bows.
* Much IAS boni are needed to achieve a noticable frame increase, 160% IAS bonus only
grants 2 more shots per 10 seconds.

'''Advantages:'''
* The Buriza comes along as a great package in natural form, with a lot of essential amazon mods such as
100% piercing, 80% increased attack speed, decent cold damage and more.
* Incredible damage per time factor, only beaten by a windforce with additional IAS.
* Allows usage of "alternative" equipment, since most essential mods are already covered on the weapon.

'''Summary:'''
* The Buriza remains a top choice for any amazon. It even beat the legendary windforce by 1 (one) damage in
natural form in this test *chuckle*
* The added 32-196 cold damage is a valuable companion in hell difficulty, home of many pesky physically
immune monsters.
* 100% piercing helps saving skill points and allows using a belt other than razortail.
* The natural 80% IAS on the weapon, along with the small boni from more IAS invite to not focus on popular
IAS equipment (twitchthroe etc), but rather go for damage reduction gear (Shaftstop etc).

=== Lycander's Aim - "Surprise, Surprise!" ===

'''Advantages:'''
* High Natural Speed along with high gains from IAS items
* Highest minimum damage
* Low Price

'''Disadvantages:'''
* Low Maximum Damage

'''Summary:'''
* This weapon pretty surprised me during the tests. Although M'avina's Caster remains the naturally fastest
weapon (except for a row of irrelevant low-level unique bows and non-set/non-unique bows), Lycander's Aim beats
it, starting at 70% IAS bonus, Lycander's bow fires 29 times over a 10 second period, where M'avina's bow
is still stuck at 28, making it a top-choice pvp weapon, also because of the high minimum damage, which often
leads to single-shot kills.
* Recommended to focus on IAS gear with this bow, should be socketed with shael rune.
* Mana leech on the bow allows wearing easier to find/cheaper to buy single-leech items.
* The skill boni do not provide significant benefits

=== M'avina's Caster - "Which Arrow killed you?" - "All of them!" ===

'''Advantages:'''
* Although greatly increased, still decent speed gains from IAS items
* Fastest bow until 70% IAS

'''Disadvantages:'''
* Damage cannot keep up with other tested bows at higher character levels

'''Summary:'''
* Recommended using it in combination with other m'avina's items
* Top-Choice pvp weapon, although Lycander's Aim works better unless you go for damage reduction gear.

=== Eaglehorn - "Is that a windforce??" ===

'''Advantages:'''
* Sufficient damage, speed, and speed gains

'''Disadvantages;'''
* High Price

'''Summary:'''
* Its ignore target defense mod makes up for the relatively low minimum damage
* A Top-Choice bow for the cow level in hell difficulty
* Recommended using in combination with an amplify damage item

=== Windforce - "show me plz, show me!!" ===

'''Advantages:'''
* Great Damage, Great Speed
* Perfect for bragging, showing off, earning cash

'''Disadvantages:'''
* Insane Price

'''Summary:'''
* Mana Leech allows using easier to find/cheaper to buy single-leech items
* Knockback keeps them pesky cows away from you, and lets you use gloves other than cleglaw's pincers
* Strength bonus (10) makes it easier meeting the 134 strength requirements
* The ultimate pvm bow

=== Cruel Hydra Bow - "Buriza up my ass!" ===

'''Advantages:'''
* Decent Speed
* Magic item, therefore allows more sockets than any of the other tested bows
* Good all-rounder

'''Disadvantages'''
* Lack of useful mods, other than the high ed% ;)

'''Summary'''
* Recommended using in combination with amplify damage item
* Gets useful above 250% ed

== Credits ==

Shazam, for assistance on actually understanding all this stuff I wrote about 
Ceph, for lending me some of his bows 
Coca Cola Inc., for keeping me awake

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