Difference between revisions of "User talk:JMJimmy"

Latest revision as of 14:55, 4 December 2009

Skills[edit]

Nice you spotted that on the skills. =) First edit in a wiki, or have you previous experience? --Leord 15:20, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

Thanks :) I've had some experience, started on Wikipedia but quickly got sick of the attitude, did some more at Wikia (Final Fantasy, Fallout, Diablo, & Ratchet/Clank) and Wikimedia's latest call for proposals. I'm not much for adding new content but definitely in detail & organization. I'm not sure I'm 100% accurate on the edit I made though, I know it applies to Necro/Druid but not on all summons (like Amazon's/Assassins and non-wolf Druid summons) JMJimmy 22:13, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

Well, it's good, regardless, and you seem to have the hang of talk pages and other things then :) I do hop you'll find DW a lot friendlier, but we haven't really started getting a proper community here, as most communication still is taking place in the Diii.net forums.

If you need any inspiration, then primarily, we need help with lore entries, which a LOT still can be added by just reading the manuals. If you do add entries or perhaps just a few sentences to existing articles about lore, add them to the Diablo 3 wiki rather than the Diablo 2 one :)

If you have any questions or suggestions, don't be afraid to ask me or someone else! --Leord 12:49, 20 October 2009 (CEST)

Skill Progression[edit]

You're right that it looks better on the skill page. Unfortunately, on the combined page, it would make it VERY long if they were all like that. I have rolled it back, but hope it doesn't discourage you from helping with other skills! I also changed the formatting of the table, to stick out a little bit less :) --Leord 18:38, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

Actually! I did NOT revert it since I realized the original table was all mupped up. Could you just rearrange it as a horizontal table again, but less broken, and just add ***{|class="tablebox"*** as the top (without the stars), to make the formatting a little bit tidier. --Leord 18:44, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

Before I do that, I want to run another idea by you... give me a bit to get the formatting down but I think it will make the information more readable without making the combined pages excessively long. If not, I'll revert it to the horizontal & fix. Cheers JMJimmy 20:04, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

I posted a modified version temporarily because you're right - the combined page looked/would have looked terrible. Have you ever considered http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Hidden ? JMJimmy 20:55, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

Took me a while but I created a dynamic template, it's fairly complex but very easy for users.

http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Template:Skill_Progression

Basically, all the user needs do is the following:

{{Skill Progression
|header=something doesn't matter how long or what is in it
|header2=doesn't matter where header2/header3/etc go in the list so long as they are named
|data1
|data2
|data3
|etc until 20 - if unknown the template does require a blank entry so by example (next 3 lines)
|
|
|
|data8 - this will appear in the 8th skill level slot, 5-7 will get a hyphen, this way people can update as they 
find out stats (ie: 1.13 patch or D3)
}}

There's no longer a need to enter skill numbers, they're all part of the template. It can also be extended fairly easily. If there are more than 5 headers it won't accept 6 simply because that would end up way off the page just like the horizontal display. Let me know what you think, if you'd prefer it the other way I don't mind, I can revert it no problem. JMJimmy 02:35, 22 October 2009 (CEST)

Wow man! Awesome work! I made a humble little edit to remove one break in there, which made the 2nd row super large. :) It's just how the wiki works, I don't know why it does that. I also shortened "Level" to Slvl to save space.

All in all the design is very good. I suppose we'd really should change texts such as "Cold Damage Per Second" into just "DPS", linking to a "Damage Per Second" article, and explain in the blurb above that it's cold damage. All to make the first row a lot smaller. I think 2 rows of text, like "Damage (br) Absorption", which is hard to abbreviate is ok, but not 3+ lines. Not a prio, though...

I'm really impressed! :)

Only thing I'd like is a nice little header for the table. Look here at Template:Skill Progression Test. It looks nice there, but your table is obviously quite flexible, and has a different amount of columns depending on the skill. Do you know id it's possible to make a header colspan change depending on how many columns it has? Due to a limitation in the wiki, which I have not found out why, tables' cells always have padding on the inside, making it impossible to make an outer table with a proper header... Either way, primarily I'd just like to get in a little [e] :)

I'm gonna polish up the amazon skills now, as I'm gonna make a news item about them. Too bad you didn't start with them. I can't spend the time to update them with the new template, however, so it will come for later news features :) Again, awesome work mate! --Leord 12:32, 22 October 2009 (CEST)

Thanks, it was quite the learning experience, I'd actually never created a template before. The one thing with the header you're trying to create, while it looks great, doing it with colspan is computationally very expensive. Even though you're specifying colspan=some number, the browser actually has to render the entire table before it can render that header because it needs to verify if there should be "dead space" (ie: colspan=2 with a 3 column table needs 1 column of dead space). I've updated the Skill Progression template with a second table instead.

Regarding the padding, you can easily override this if you wish, either in tablebox CSS class (add: !important padding:0px;) or directly in the wikitext JMJimmy 15:25, 22 October 2009 (CEST)

{|style="padding:0px;"
...tablestuff...
|}
-or-
{|style="padding: 0px 0px 0px 0px;" //to specify individual padding in the order of top, right, bottom, left.
...tablestuff...
|}

Oh, awesome! Do you have MSN or ICQ, since it seems you're online right now? Mine is targetgamer at home dot se and my icq is 39-837-459 :) --Leord 16:44, 22 October 2009 (CEST)

I made one small edit in the template, adding a link to easily edit it if needed, like all other such templates have :) --Leord 16:52, 22 October 2009 (CEST)

Diii.net etc[edit]

I left a message for you on the D3 wiki. Mine or your talk page, can't recall :P --Leord 14:55, 4 December 2009 (UTC)